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I find it illuminating that Rattner and other fiscal scaremongers only use a present value analysis to measure the cost of future benefits to average taxpayers --- and let's not forget that nobody receives SS or Medicare who has not paid into that system for at least 10 years. When are they going to present value the cost of future wars which, by the way, there is not a DIME of saved taxes to pay for, unlike SS. If they would do that, we could all scream Rattner-like: OMG! The war "trust fund" cupboard is bare! And so are the oil subsidy, ag subsidy and banking subsidy cupboards! We MUST immediately reduce these "entitlements" or we'll go broke! - Jeff Goodrich